No "our" Jaiku bubble seems to be quite intact, interestingly enough I've been communicating with da hmmr on all three services this morning, and really the conversations are quite different depending on the media, which sort of reflects the media - I know that what I post here is realtively private, but for the world to see, what I post on facebook is private, and mostly for my followers to see, how to use twitter remains to be seen, but I like their direct message feature.
Really Twitter has been born out of text-messages, which the Americans have just discovered, the rest of us have long since moved away from that, having a 140 char limit on posts is just stupid when you're accesing from the web.
@clausd so move on ;-) seriously, 140 is PERFECT for the first post, and Jaiku does the same, but for discussions it just doesn't work, as this thread illustrates. Again no need to compare the services, I'm new to Twitter and it might strike a chord with me, it just not love at first sight as Jaiku was at reboot 9
@kimbach agree on the differenties in communication flow, and for my part, that's on purpose.
Re the privacy, I belive there will always be a need for niche services, whether it's Jaiku talk, Gamer news, Mac talk etc. Though many like to connect to whoever and whatever (facegroupies), there will always exist a need, for being among "friends" close to you.
No one really has "cracked it" made the killer-app, but Jaiku is by far, the most useful communications-tool I've ever used, and I really, really miss my E65 and the S60 Jaiku client, because the Jaiku webservice is much like the tip of the ice-berg.
What I like so much about Jaiku is that it facilitates "a tribe" so well, "our tribe" or posse came from Macnyt, where zealots finally took over, Jaiku facilitates free flow and exchange of ideas so well.
I'm likely to write a longwinded blogpost (YAWN tm : Yet Another Worthless Note) about my adventures into Twitsphere, if anyone cares.
I'm warming up to twitter, the search function is pretty sweet, mostly because the users have adopted a dogmatic approach to tagging the hashmark notation
OK @clausd I give in, Twitter is an extremely useful tool to get "the pulse". It's the search feature that makes it rock imho. It is so rediculous that Jaiku hasn't implemented that, for crying out loud you're OWNED by the developers of a rather well-know search engine. Not sure I'll blog about it however, already did it in this thread and blogging about web-to-punkt-ågede services is so old, the winners for social networking are Twitter AND facebook, Google seems to be more interested in competing with Flickr, and what is the business model in microblogging, besides getting an acquistion offer?
@kimbach You should follow @trending as well - it'll send out updates during the day when enough people talk about one subject (not necessarily hashtag'ed, but just crawled).
Twitter is much like a CLI, the users have agreed on a set of rules, that you, intuitvely picks up, and I do love the search, especially the way it's implemented in the TwitterFon app, including location search, that app is almost perfect, and free! what the h*ll is that guy thinking, otoh that must look sweet on any CV. TwitterFon automatically subscribes you to @twitterfon and it also follows you automatically when you sign-in, that's a great idea.
It would be a PERFECT app, if: I could update my location without having to tweet; had the possiblity to choose reverse geocoding, and supported danish characters in hasmarks.
Twitter does need to improve the security model, I can't really envision any app (desktop, web and mobile) out-there that couldn't benefit from that kind of automagic publish/subscribe feature to a public service everyone is already using
It is awful, but having a seriously flawed security model is common among web-services. It's obvious that the success of Twitter as a service has taken the developers by surprise. There are a number of things that are bad about Twitter, but hey I just love hacks, and people are hacking away like mad, and that is cool
jaiku actually is like having a blog with participants, and I like that, but if people really were interested in what I do, they would read my real blog...roger and out
The only real problem with Twitter is that I have no way of following a discussion to the same extent as I have on Jaiku, unless I (by chance) follow the people responding to a certain tweet. That also has its positive sides - I think it would be unbearable to follow @gruber, @jkottke etc. etc. if I had to watch all of the replies to their tweets. Other than that fact, Twitter kicks Jaiku's ass (and I still love Jaiku - but that's because of the people here, not the service).
jaiku is a "bellow in" forum - it have absolutely nothing to do with "blog" or "RL presence with the possibility to comment if you can read the CAPTCHA" ;)
(but I'm using #jaiku as a blog, and it's SOOOO nice that people comment, otoh before that I used #MacNyt as my blog - and so did you my dear Mr. E.T ;-))
@hnrkhmmr: #Twitter should remain simple, more Zen please. And can anyone explain what a retweet is ;-) - I understand it as a "forward" where you call the attention of the original poster
@kimbach: A retweet is used to cause attention to a certain tweet. For instance @gapingvoid retweets some of the replies he gets so we who does not follow the person who replied him can also see what he wrote. It has nothing to do with the original poster's attention to do - it's more as a means of grabbing the attention of your own followers towards the poster who posted the tweet you retweeted (haha - fabulous sentence!).
And no, it's difficult to follow discussions - few people use hashtags, other than for following a conference or event. I.e. DLD, but because search.twitter.com is so fucking cool it also catches the tweets that has the letters "DLD", but not necessarily the hashtag in front of it.
thanks, it would be easier just to link to the original message, but I suppose that that's what you get. #Twitter definitily has the ability to produce a #Jaiku like view, since the posts you replied to are linked, they just don't provide that view, but any API haX0r should be able to do that with ease, and I'm sure somebody did...
Retweet ... formerly called bumps. Need to search tags to find the "conversation"...
Yeah ... I'm probaly just an old forum-nazi, but twitter seems .... pointless (to me) unless it serves as a feed-reader.
Same goes for Jaiku, I see it as a forum. You post stuff, people comment... that's a forum, not hightech web2.0 fancy sci-fi out-of-this-world technology that will change the way you think, eat, breathe. It's not a revolution, it's a skinned phpbb. (Oh horrors, I said the evil bulletinboard-word!).
Microblog, another world I dislike. Microblog means "say something insightful, useful in 140chars"?.
Imo Microblog should be renamed to microrant, seeing you don't bring anything useful to the masses - only random rants. You share knowledge the same way old folks share knowledge at the teaparties.
Jeg har selv for et par dage siden bestilt nyt abb ved TDC - Simply (der ikke koster noget) med Fri Surf (230 kr. for flatrate/fair use/10GB/WTF). Mangler stadig at høre et kvæk fra dem, hvilket er lidt underligt - kan være man skal ringe i morgen og høre hvad der sker...
Det er i øvrigt det bedste abb til en EDGE-iPhone. 3's abb er klart det bedste til 3G-iPhonen (mest fordi deres dækning er suverænt de andre telcos overlegne).
Yoda - og jeg tror sgu snart vi nå forsiden - LÆNGE siden. Bortset fra det er jeg ok tilfreds med Telia, sålænge det ikke er til HiFi browsing, men dør forhåbentlig snart (come on Jaiku, I'm missing that iPhone app)
@kimbach QWK rulez, mere er der vel ikke at sige om det ;-)
WTF, vil det sige at der endnu ikke findes en Jaiku klient til iPhone ?!? Jeg er blevet så hip med min Touch, så alle skal da bare igang med at Apps'e.
Notice my first post, #twitter is not useful, I was mistaken, because it is useful. Sorry for being so closed minded.
I actually had precisely the same experience with Jaiku, it was @hnrkhmmr that pushed me to try it, and it was only because I was envious that he won tickets to #reboot 9 just by posting in the #reboot channel. So I started using #Jaiku, and lo and behold @redsoda was there, at that point in time she was doing a lot of work to promote #Jaiku, and what a great job including baking some yummy #Jaiku cup-cakes for #reboot 9. #Jaiku was the official backchannel at #reboot 9, and #Jaiku was buzzing with activity, slowly that faded, but I was so lucky that I pulled my #MacNyt posse with me to #Jaiku, and our bubble still is very much alive and kicking.
Eventually we'll move on, but #Jaiku still is the most useful communications tool I know of, ESPECIALLY if you have a Nokia S60 phone, it really rocks with integration with the addressbook, calendar and even the status your phone is at (idle, busy, active)
I do hope that the #Jaiku guys are working at a client for #iPhone, because @jyri showed a lot of love for the #iPhone at #reboot 10
iPhone hjalp pga. den fantastiske TwitterFon app, og så må jeg give @clausd ret i at 140 er et sweet spot . Som sagt var jeg closed minded, og Twitter understøtter nogle spændende usecases
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No, facebook
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
I know about the lemmings - I was thinking about the kewl folks.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
Twitter is not useful, facebook is
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
that was not the question, my dear friend :-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
Was it a question? It looked like resignation ;-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Nobody is moving anywhere! Sit down, shut up and enjoy!
10 months, 3 weeks ago by Wendelboe
fasten your seatbelts and wait for the crash!
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
No "our" Jaiku bubble seems to be quite intact, interestingly enough I've been communicating with da hmmr on all three services this morning, and really the conversations are quite different depending on the media, which sort of reflects the media - I know that what I post here is realtively private, but for the world to see, what I post on facebook is private, and mostly for my followers to see, how to use twitter remains to be seen, but I like their direct message feature.
Really Twitter has been born out of text-messages, which the Americans have just discovered, the rest of us have long since moved away from that, having a 140 char limit on posts is just stupid when you're accesing from the web.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
140 is Twitter's killer app over Jaiku. Brevity is the soul of wit. That and the inability to harp on on an issue when everybody else has moved on...
10 months, 3 weeks ago by clausd
@clausd so move on ;-) seriously, 140 is PERFECT for the first post, and Jaiku does the same, but for discussions it just doesn't work, as this thread illustrates. Again no need to compare the services, I'm new to Twitter and it might strike a chord with me, it just not love at first sight as Jaiku was at reboot 9
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach agree on the differenties in communication flow, and for my part, that's on purpose.
Re the privacy, I belive there will always be a need for niche services, whether it's Jaiku talk, Gamer news, Mac talk etc. Though many like to connect to whoever and whatever (facegroupies), there will always exist a need, for being among "friends" close to you.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
No one really has "cracked it" made the killer-app, but Jaiku is by far, the most useful communications-tool I've ever used, and I really, really miss my E65 and the S60 Jaiku client, because the Jaiku webservice is much like the tip of the ice-berg.
What I like so much about Jaiku is that it facilitates "a tribe" so well, "our tribe" or posse came from Macnyt, where zealots finally took over, Jaiku facilitates free flow and exchange of ideas so well.
I'm likely to write a longwinded blogpost (YAWN tm : Yet Another Worthless Note) about my adventures into Twitsphere, if anyone cares.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach Please do.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
@kimbach you are among friends, we always care :-D
.. and your blog cries for a fresh rant :-p
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
I'm warming up to twitter, the search function is pretty sweet, mostly because the users have adopted a dogmatic approach to tagging the hashmark notation
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
jaiku -> developers
twitter -> designers
Thats my firewall
10 months, 3 weeks ago by EsbenThomsen
Jaiku - people Twitter - people Fjæsingen - people
That's my firewall
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
OK @clausd I give in, Twitter is an extremely useful tool to get "the pulse". It's the search feature that makes it rock imho. It is so rediculous that Jaiku hasn't implemented that, for crying out loud you're OWNED by the developers of a rather well-know search engine. Not sure I'll blog about it however, already did it in this thread and blogging about web-to-punkt-ågede services is so old, the winners for social networking are Twitter AND facebook, Google seems to be more interested in competing with Flickr, and what is the business model in microblogging, besides getting an acquistion offer?
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
(oh well Jaiku does have search, based on the generic Google site:jaiku.com search, which might actually work quite well)
Twitter is, ofcourse better at tuning you out of a conversation you've posted in, so sorry for the spam to those who posted here, I'll shut up now :-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
interesting pov ... and yes, rumours has it, that Google will acquire Twitter, sooner or later.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
@kimbach You should follow @trending as well - it'll send out updates during the day when enough people talk about one subject (not necessarily hashtag'ed, but just crawled).
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
Twitter is much like a CLI, the users have agreed on a set of rules, that you, intuitvely picks up, and I do love the search, especially the way it's implemented in the TwitterFon app, including location search, that app is almost perfect, and free! what the h*ll is that guy thinking, otoh that must look sweet on any CV. TwitterFon automatically subscribes you to @twitterfon and it also follows you automatically when you sign-in, that's a great idea.
It would be a PERFECT app, if: I could update my location without having to tweet; had the possiblity to choose reverse geocoding, and supported danish characters in hasmarks.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Twitter does need to improve the security model, I can't really envision any app (desktop, web and mobile) out-there that couldn't benefit from that kind of automagic publish/subscribe feature to a public service everyone is already using
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach OAuth is on the way to Twitter - will be launched in public beta in a couple of months, and be ready two months after that.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
Yeah I saw that, good call, OAuth is pretty clever, and people are already used to being asked to grant access after Vista came out ;-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Haha - true story. But seriously, the way auth works now with Twitter's API is terrible.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
It is awful, but having a seriously flawed security model is common among web-services. It's obvious that the success of Twitter as a service has taken the developers by surprise. There are a number of things that are bad about Twitter, but hey I just love hacks, and people are hacking away like mad, and that is cool
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
I think I'm finally "getting " #twitter, sorry for being so dense. #Jaiku is NOT a microblog, #twitter is
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
jaiku actually is like having a blog with participants, and I like that, but if people really were interested in what I do, they would read my real blog...roger and out
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
maybe, if Jaiku and Twitter merged, and you could decide for yourself, which features you like. Then it'll be a "one size fits many".
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
The only real problem with Twitter is that I have no way of following a discussion to the same extent as I have on Jaiku, unless I (by chance) follow the people responding to a certain tweet. That also has its positive sides - I think it would be unbearable to follow @gruber, @jkottke etc. etc. if I had to watch all of the replies to their tweets. Other than that fact, Twitter kicks Jaiku's ass (and I still love Jaiku - but that's because of the people here, not the service).
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
jaiku is a "bellow in" forum - it have absolutely nothing to do with "blog" or "RL presence with the possibility to comment if you can read the CAPTCHA" ;)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by EsbenThomsen
(but I'm using #jaiku as a blog, and it's SOOOO nice that people comment, otoh before that I used #MacNyt as my blog - and so did you my dear Mr. E.T ;-))
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
busted :-(
10 months, 3 weeks ago by EsbenThomsen
@hnrkhmmr: #Twitter should remain simple, more Zen please. And can anyone explain what a retweet is ;-) - I understand it as a "forward" where you call the attention of the original poster
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
(btw, it's EASY to follow discussions as long as you use # to tag it, this discussion could for instance be tagged with #twitter #jaiku #prosandcons
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach: A retweet is used to cause attention to a certain tweet. For instance @gapingvoid retweets some of the replies he gets so we who does not follow the person who replied him can also see what he wrote. It has nothing to do with the original poster's attention to do - it's more as a means of grabbing the attention of your own followers towards the poster who posted the tweet you retweeted (haha - fabulous sentence!).
And no, it's difficult to follow discussions - few people use hashtags, other than for following a conference or event. I.e. DLD, but because search.twitter.com is so fucking cool it also catches the tweets that has the letters "DLD", but not necessarily the hashtag in front of it.
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
thanks, it would be easier just to link to the original message, but I suppose that that's what you get. #Twitter definitily has the ability to produce a #Jaiku like view, since the posts you replied to are linked, they just don't provide that view, but any API haX0r should be able to do that with ease, and I'm sure somebody did...
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Retweet ... formerly called bumps. Need to search tags to find the "conversation"...
Yeah ... I'm probaly just an old forum-nazi, but twitter seems .... pointless (to me) unless it serves as a feed-reader.
Same goes for Jaiku, I see it as a forum. You post stuff, people comment... that's a forum, not hightech web2.0 fancy sci-fi out-of-this-world technology that will change the way you think, eat, breathe. It's not a revolution, it's a skinned phpbb. (Oh horrors, I said the evil bulletinboard-word!).
Microblog, another world I dislike. Microblog means "say something insightful, useful in 140chars"?.
Imo Microblog should be renamed to microrant, seeing you don't bring anything useful to the masses - only random rants. You share knowledge the same way old folks share knowledge at the teaparties.
Yes, this is a great exampel of a microrant....
10 months, 3 weeks ago by Mirtar
@mirtar LOL spot on. Regarding conversations. @twitterfon has a view for that. Is there anything it can't do?
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
BTW give me PCBoard, RIME and the Terminator theme, and I might find me a wife...Again :-D
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@hnrkhmmr KNOWS what I'm talking about ;-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
(and these days you can afford the phone bills - Yay Skype and flatrate Internet access)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Jeg har selv for et par dage siden bestilt nyt abb ved TDC - Simply (der ikke koster noget) med Fri Surf (230 kr. for flatrate/fair use/10GB/WTF). Mangler stadig at høre et kvæk fra dem, hvilket er lidt underligt - kan være man skal ringe i morgen og høre hvad der sker...
Det er i øvrigt det bedste abb til en EDGE-iPhone. 3's abb er klart det bedste til 3G-iPhonen (mest fordi deres dækning er suverænt de andre telcos overlegne).
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
Hov - jeg tog i øvrigt lige samtalen over i dansk. Håber det er ok med jer andre :)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by marks
Yoda - og jeg tror sgu snart vi nå forsiden - LÆNGE siden. Bortset fra det er jeg ok tilfreds med Telia, sålænge det ikke er til HiFi browsing, men dør forhåbentlig snart (come on Jaiku, I'm missing that iPhone app)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Mente DET dør :-)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach QWK rulez, mere er der vel ikke at sige om det ;-)
WTF, vil det sige at der endnu ikke findes en Jaiku klient til iPhone ?!? Jeg er blevet så hip med min Touch, så alle skal da bare igang med at Apps'e.
... yrk, YatAnotherProjectIDontHaveTimeToDo
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
QWK og MegaMail - for hulen hvor var den genial, INGEN mailprogrammer har slået den endnu og så var den en 16 knægt der havde skruet den sammen
mJaiku er noget af et hack så vidt jeg ved, man kan desværre ikke bygge en fuld klient med APIet :-(
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
16-årig knægt...
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
Notice my first post, #twitter is not useful, I was mistaken, because it is useful. Sorry for being so closed minded.
I actually had precisely the same experience with Jaiku, it was @hnrkhmmr that pushed me to try it, and it was only because I was envious that he won tickets to #reboot 9 just by posting in the #reboot channel. So I started using #Jaiku, and lo and behold @redsoda was there, at that point in time she was doing a lot of work to promote #Jaiku, and what a great job including baking some yummy #Jaiku cup-cakes for #reboot 9. #Jaiku was the official backchannel at #reboot 9, and #Jaiku was buzzing with activity, slowly that faded, but I was so lucky that I pulled my #MacNyt posse with me to #Jaiku, and our bubble still is very much alive and kicking.
Eventually we'll move on, but #Jaiku still is the most useful communications tool I know of, ESPECIALLY if you have a Nokia S60 phone, it really rocks with integration with the addressbook, calendar and even the status your phone is at (idle, busy, active)
I do hope that the #Jaiku guys are working at a client for #iPhone, because @jyri showed a lot of love for the #iPhone at #reboot 10
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@kimbach hmm, so should we be alarmed that Jyri is active on #twitter: http://twitter.com/jyri :-o
10 months, 3 weeks ago by hnrkhmmr
Alarmed no, he's just everywhere, and #twitter is useful, and you can see that he has a good (natural) balance between followers and followees, so...
10 months, 3 weeks ago by kimbach
@hnrkhmmr You should be alarmed if you don't see me on an app ;)
10 months, 3 weeks ago by jyri
ps. this started out with me resisting twitter, and it has ended up with me being a "twitter activist" for Copenhagen Twestival - go figure...
10 months, 2 weeks ago by kimbach
I'm so proud! I tricked @kimbach into signing up for Twitter, and now he's hooked :) Fantastic! (I think the iPhone helped as well, though).
10 months, 2 weeks ago by marks
iPhone hjalp pga. den fantastiske TwitterFon app, og så må jeg give @clausd ret i at 140 er et sweet spot . Som sagt var jeg closed minded, og Twitter understøtter nogle spændende usecases
10 months, 2 weeks ago by kimbach
http://kimbach.org/buddibyebye/byebyetweety.html
10 months, 2 weeks ago by kimbach